Episode 11 - Marisa from Australia - How a kidney stone led her to the family she had asked for

Danny

Hello, fellow pilgrims and former Camino pilgrims, of course.

And I welcome you to yet again a new episode.

And, yeah, I have a video, so I can see the lady who I met last year on the Camino, when I was walking from Saint Jean Pied de Port to Santiago.

So, Marisa, I'm really pleased that you are here in the podcast.

We met each other last year, and we had a very wow experience together, at least for me. I don't know if it was for you, but for me, at least, it was really profound.

And actually, the story you told me, I tell that a lot to other pilgrims because this is really profound.

So, Marisa, can you introduce yourself a little bit to the Camino family?

Marisa

For sure. Well, first of all, thank you for inviting me to this podcast. It's my pleasure to be here.

Well, my name is Marisa. I am 53 years old. I am Brazilian, but I have lived in Australia for 18 years. And, yeah, this is basically that.

Danny

So that's who you are.

I have just a very simple question. Because the Your Inner Camino Podcast is all about the Inner Camino. Things like magical moments, the moments the Camino provides, synchronicities, revelations, insights and things you left behind.

It's not about the blisters, the backpack and the nice scenery.

So, what do you want to share with your Camino family?

Marisa

Well, the Camino was very intense for me, and it started even before the beginning, before I walked.

People usually say that the Camino calls you when you should go there. And for me, it was no different.

About two years ago, I had a very bad time in my life. I was crossing the dark night of the soul.

I worked on my healing process and started to get better, to see life differently, to love myself more and to set boundaries.

And with that, I opened a space for people who were aligned with my journey.

In one month, ten people talked about the Camino. I was also experiencing lots of synchronicities before that.

The story of the Camino started for me when I was 20 years old, when I saw the cathedral of Santiago de Compostela in a tourist magazine in Brazil.

I had shivers and goosebumps all over my body. And I said, “One day, I am going to visit this place.”

This was a dream for many, many years. And last year, in that one month, ten people came and talked about the Camino.

Danny

Was that during a party, with the ten people there together, or did they pop up in your life one by one?

Marisa

No, one by one. Because I was in my healing process, I participated in lots of retreats and women's circles. I started to align with different people, and these people talked about the Camino.

Sorry, I lost where I was.

Ten people mentioned it. And I'm sorry, this is my first podcast. I am a little nervous about sharing, but anyway, let's go.

Ten people. And I am a good Capricorn, and I need to see strong evidence to believe in something.

I talked to God, or the universe, whatever fits better for you. That night, I talked to him and said, “Look, I think you want me to go to the Camino. If this is true, please send me the final message tomorrow morning, and I will quit my job and go to the Camino.”

And he did.

My ex boyfriend from many years ago, back in my twenties, sent me a very random message. He was moving, he remembered me and he wanted to know how I was.

I talked to him, and in the middle of the conversation, although the subject was not about the Camino, it just came into my mind to ask, “Did you do the Camino?”

He said, “Yes, I did, and it changed my life.”

Well, I didn't have any doubts about what I should do.

The next day, I bought my one way ticket. I quit my job, started selling my things in Australia and donated most of my clothes.

Two months later, I was on a plane going to Spain.

Danny

So you really jumped into the deep. You quit your job. And your house as well?

Marisa

Yeah. I have my apartment in Brazil, and in Australia I had flatmates, so it was easy to do that part.

But it was definitely a complete leap of faith.

I started the Camino, and the interesting thing, and the main thing I want to share today, is that everybody on the Camino at that time ended up knowing me, at least by name. Everybody talked about the woman from the hospital.

Before the episode at the hospital, I stayed overnight in Orisson, where I met lots of beautiful people. We had that communal dinner and shared experiences.

That night, I saw a lot of people on the phone, talking to their families and sharing their first day on the Camino.

I was a bit alone. I was a bit sad, and I always talk to God.

I said, “I feel sad because I don't have anyone to share this with.”

My family is kind of far from me, and I had just left the few people I had in Australia.

I had this feeling inside me. And this is another example that the Camino provides.

The next day, I started walking and went to Roncesvalles. I had a small pain in my back that day, but I thought it was because it had been a long day of walking, climbing and carrying the weight of my backpack.

I didn't give it too much attention. I slept that night and it was okay.

In the morning, I woke up and was still feeling a bit of pain, but it was okay. I started walking very early. At six o'clock, I was on the road.

Between Roncesvalles and Espinal, in the middle of that walk, the pain started to increase. It increased a lot.

I had to stop. There is a small hill before Espinal, and before I climbed that hill, I was pale. I was a bit dizzy, almost vomiting and I was not well.

I realized that it was not back pain.

I used all the energy I had to walk the last three kilometers.

When I arrived in Espinal, there was a restaurant where the majority of the pilgrims stopped to rest.

I was literally rolling on the floor in pain. It was very serious pain.

Some of the people I had met in Orisson arrived after me. One of the girls, Amber, saw me and said, “What's going on? You need a doctor. You need something.”

It was a very small village. It was hard to speak with the people there. Amber didn't speak Spanish. I speak a little, but the pain was so intense that I couldn't even think or say anything.

It took maybe 20 minutes for them to decide what to do with me. They had an ambulance there, but it could not leave straight away. They needed authorization, and it was complicated.

They said I needed to go by taxi to a small medical center. It was not a hospital, just a place with a doctor and some medicine.

The taxi driver took me there. It was about a ten or fifteen minute drive, and I was screaming in the car.

When we arrived, he said, “You just go.”

He took my backpack. I had the money in my hand, and he said, “No, you don't need to pay. You just go and take care of yourself.”

He took my bag and left it there.

From that moment, all the doctors were so nice to me. Of course, they gave me morphine because the pain was nine out of ten.

The doctors immediately suspected that it was a kidney stone.

Because it was serious, they said I should go to Pamplona by ambulance. It took about one hour to travel from Espinal to Pamplona.

But this is where the story really starts.

When I arrived at the hospital, I stayed in the emergency room. I was kind of happy because the medicine relieved all the pain.

I was talking to the local people and trying to sort out my travel insurance and everything else.

I spoke Portuguese on the phone with my friends and told them what had happened.

There was a lady beside me in another bed. She heard the conversation and said, “Oh, you are Brazilian. I am Brazilian too, but I have lived in Spain for 20 years. This is my husband. He is Spanish, and he is here with me.”

Throughout the day, we supported each other. She asked me about my life, the Camino and my choices, and she shared her story with me.

She was facing seven cancer tumors. She is still facing them, because I talked to her just three days ago.

She was the brightest and kindest person in that room. She supported me all the time.

She said, “It's so interesting because I never come to this emergency room. I have my own doctor. But this morning, he did some exams and found something. He asked me to come here straight away. And now I am here, and I meet you.”

We went through the day. She had some exams, I had my exams as well, and she was released from the hospital before me.

Danny

Was that on the same day, or was that the next day?

Marisa

No, the same day. I arrived at the hospital around 9:30 in the morning, and I left at 8:30 at night.

She was released before me, and she came to my bed and said, “What are you going to do after the hospital tonight?”

After all the exams, they had found that it really was a kidney stone, but it was a very small one. They couldn't do anything. I didn't need surgery, just medicine and lots of water.

I was going to be released that night as well.

I told her, “I will book a hotel and wait for my friends tomorrow because the doctor said I can't walk.”

She said, “You are coming to our house tonight.”

I said, “What?”

She said, “Yes. Take a taxi. I will wait for you. We have a spare room in our house. I am going to make you a homemade dinner. I am going to make tea for your kidney stone, and you will stay with us tonight.”

I said, “No, but you just left the hospital. You don't need to do that.”

She said, “No. I need to, and I am going to do it. You deserve that.”

She left the hospital, and one hour later, I accepted the invitation.

I went there. I remember taking a picture of the building and sending it to my friend, because of all those safety things.

It required trust from both sides. They trusted a stranger enough to let her into their house, and I had to trust them because I didn't know them.

When I arrived there, what I experienced that night...

I get emotional just thinking about it.

I was treated like a family member.

Everything I had asked God for in Orisson, I received that night. All the care and all the love.

She has a young daughter, Valentina. She sat on my lap, held my face and kept saying, “Te quiero mucho, te quiero mucho.” I love you very much.

I received so much love and so much care in that house.

The food was amazing. She made the tea, and I had my own room.

The next morning, we cried together. We shared lots of stories, and it was beautiful.

It felt as though our meeting was supposed to happen.

Danny

I get emotional too.

Marisa

It is such a beautiful thing.

She is part of my family now. After I left the house, she sent me messages for many days, asking how I was, how the Camino was going and whether I needed anything.

That is what family does.

I'm so grateful for her.

The next day, she invited me to go to the village where her uncles live. They have another house there.

I spent my day running and playing with the child, the dogs and the chickens, and gathering vegetables and fruit.

I felt like part of a family.

When I was leaving, I asked her, “Why did you do that? Why did you invite a complete stranger to stay in your house with your young child?”

She said, “Because I felt it in my heart.”

She asked me the same question. “Why did you accept?”

I said, “I felt it in my heart too.”

Her husband is Spanish, and he is a taxi driver. He took me to the hostel where I would wait for my friends the next day.

I asked him, “Why did you do that? Why did you accept this stranger?”

He said, “Well, this is what people do.”

That just hit my heart.

Because that is not what happens everywhere in the world. Not in all places.

It was such a beautiful experience for me, and I have so much love for this lady.

This is the main thing that happened to me on the Camino.

After that, everybody knew me as the woman who had been in the hospital.

Danny

I'm sitting here with tears in my eyes. I'm totally emotional, to be honest.

We met each other a couple of days later, I believe. I don't remember where it was. I have forgotten all the small towns where I was.

Anyway, we met each other. You talked about it, and I was really touched by what you told me.

Before we started recording this episode, we also had a small conversation together.

I mentioned to you that, since April 1, 2026, we have lived in Viloria de Rioja, after Santo Domingo, between Santo Domingo de la Calzada and Belorado.

We arrived here, and the local people welcomed us with open arms, but also with open hearts. I had never encountered that in my whole life.

It was so overwhelming.

It was not just one person. Most of the villagers were like that.

Their response was so similar to what you encountered.

I now tell the pilgrims, “This is normal life. When you go home, that is daily life, which has nothing to do with normal life.”

Here, you connect on a deeper level, just because.

Marisa

Just because. That's it.

When you said that we met that day, it reminded me of another time when the Camino provided.

That morning, I left Carrión de los Condes. I had shin splints, and my leg was very painful.

We were in the middle of the Meseta, and it was a very hot day.

I almost gave up. I thought about sitting beside the road and waiting for someone to carry me because it was terrible.

Again, I talked to God. I said, “Look, it is hard for me today. It is heavy. Can you send me something to cheer my spirit?”

About fifteen minutes later, I heard a song behind me.

You probably met him. Ben, the man with the ukulele.

Danny

Oh, yeah. Ben. He was famous.

Marisa

I had met him two or three days earlier.

He brought a smile to my face, and he walked with me for one kilometer, until I arrived at the restaurant where we met each other.

That was another moment when the Camino provided for me.

Our conversation was very deep for me as well.

I don't know if you remember, but you told me the story about your wife, how you met her, how you came back to get married on the Camino and how you were now there with plans to leave Sweden.

It was very inspiring.

But it was especially the conversation about family constellations. I don't know if you remember.

Danny

Yeah, I remember.

Marisa

You talked about God again, and I felt God through you that morning.

It was so beautiful. Thank you for that. It was a beautiful sharing.

We became very emotional.

Danny

Oh, yeah. I remember.

When you were telling your story about the lady who took you into her home, I thought about what I told you before we started recording.

I explained what is happening here in the Inner Camino House.

I explain to pilgrims that this is not commercial. The idea is simply to give pilgrims a home for a moment.

Like at home, you do everything yourself. You can have water, tea, a sandwich and orange juice. You do everything yourself and you do the dishes.

When you leave a donation, I can continue doing that for other pilgrims.

I end that introduction with, “Welcome home.”

I mentioned before we started recording that many people start crying when I say, “You are home.”

When you were telling your story about the hospital and the lady, you mentioned that you felt at home there.

I have been wondering for the last couple of weeks what is happening here.

Why do people get tears in their eyes or completely break down and cry? Sometimes they do not recover for an hour after that small introduction.

When you told your story, I felt it myself.

Perhaps I now felt what people experience when I tell them they are home.

Marisa

There are a lot of people who feel lonely.

To have someone who cares, loves them and truly sees them means so much.

Danny

Yes. To be seen without judgment.

I also told you before we started that I had a wave of inspiration. I wrote what turned out to be Reflection Cards, and then I felt an impulse to write the lyrics for a song.

The third verse says:

“Laughter in three languages, all meaning the same. I see you. I'm with you. You can rest your name.”

Every time I hear that part, I get goosebumps. I become emotional.

When people listen to the song here in the Inner Camino House, it is very touching.

Not because I made the music, because I only wrote the lyrics.

During that part, people really start looking at each other and seeing each other. They hug each other.

After that song, the real conversation starts.

It is all about what you just said, being seen.

And also being seen in a way where there is no expectation about how you need to be.

If you are Australian, you don't need to be Australian. If you are Brazilian, you don't need to be Brazilian. If you are American, you don't need to be American.

You can just be who you are.

I have zero expectations of people themselves.

I have been thinking about this for the last couple of weeks. I didn't understand what was really happening, but I have the answer now.

Thank you.

Marisa

The world is lacking these interactions, heart to heart and eye to eye.

When you have these moments, there is a kind of bliss, peacefulness, happiness and love all together.

We recognize ourselves in each other, and we are all the same.

Danny

Can you imagine that someone who wants to become a Camino pilgrim is listening to this podcast and perhaps thinks this is a cheesy or overly spiritual story?

I only know the Camino Francés. I don't know the other routes, so I can only speak from my experience on the Francés.

I had many of these experiences. Now I have them every day, multiple times a day. It is overwhelming in a positive way.

Can you imagine people thinking, “What are these two talking about? They have lifted off the Earth. They are not on the globe anymore.”

What would you say to someone who has never walked the Camino and hears us talking like this?

Marisa

I am going to tell you something.

The year before I went to the Camino, I met a woman whose values and way of living were very aligned with mine.

She told me about the Camino. I was very excited and asked her about her experience.

She said, “You need to live it to know, because each Camino is different for each person.”

For me, the spiritual things and synchronicities worked well because I was connected with that.

But I also met a man who was a businessman in America. The way we connected was very interesting.

I was walking through the vineyards. I climbed a hill and stopped for five minutes to look at what I was seeing. It was so beautiful.

He passed me very quickly, but stopped about 50 meters ahead of me and looked around.

I started walking again and passed him. He came to me and said, “Thank you.”

I asked, “Thank you for what?”

He said, “Because you made me stop to appreciate the view.”

From there, we spent two days walking together.

He has a beautiful story for your podcast. I am going to ask him to talk to you.

He went to the Camino to try to talk to God, to get God's attention. He was a businessman with a logical mind.

But he saw it with his own eyes. He felt things there.

For the people listening, don't create any expectations. Just be yourself, and things will happen in the way they need to happen.

Again, the Camino provides. It provides what you need, not necessarily what you are looking for.

Sometimes we go for one reason, and in the end, we discover that the reason was completely different.

I listened to the last podcast with a lady who said that she went for one reason, but found out that she was looking for herself, or learning to love herself.

I loved that. This is the kind of thing that happens there.

Every person walks the Camino in a different way.

Some people want to challenge their bodies. Some people go as tourists.

But for me, the Camino is a special place on Earth.

I believe in energy, so I think the energy there is very high.

If what we are saying does not resonate with you, just go and experience it for yourself.

Danny

I just realized something and briefly went back to your story.

You had a kidney stone. I have had a kidney stone twice in my life.

One week before we were scheduled to come here this year, in February, to look at houses to buy, I had a kidney stone attack.

The deal for the albergue I wanted to take over had not succeeded, so we needed a house.

I know a kidney stone hurts like hell.

It was not what you wanted, but perhaps it was what you needed.

Marisa

Yes. I have another example of something that was not what I wanted, but what I needed.

When I arrived in Sarria, I had already had diarrhea for four days. I had eaten something that was not good.

I didn't stop walking. I walked fewer kilometers, but I kept walking.

When I arrived in Sarria, I was overwhelmed.

You know how overwhelming it can be for someone who has experienced the silence of the Camino Francés.

I was so upset and so angry.

I went to my hotel room. I had diarrhea, and everything was busy and noisy. There were groups of people walking together and speakers playing music.

I said, “No. This is ruining my Camino.”

I was part of a Brazilian WhatsApp group about the Camino, and I wrote, “I don't know what I'm doing here in Sarria.”

Someone said something that I will never forget:

“Don't let the environment control your emotions.”

I thought, “Wow. That is what I needed.”

I reflected on what this person told me, and it was true.

It doesn't matter whether there are a lot of people around you. Don't lose what you have gained during the previous 30 days because you are not dealing with your emotions correctly.

It was a big lesson.

The diarrhea and the anger were not what I wanted, but they brought me what I needed at that moment.

The next night, I went to bed and talked again.

I said, “Okay. I know that I am thinking in the wrong way. I should not let the environment control me. Please send me a person tomorrow who can revive all the things I felt on the Camino.”

I met this person, and I walked with her all day.

It felt as though someone was talking to me and saying exactly what I needed to hear at that moment.

I have many stories about the Camino. It was an incredible journey for me.

Danny

That reminds me of something that left a deep impression on Carola and me.

In 2014, I married in Portomarín on the Camino. As our honeymoon, we walked from Samos to Santiago together.

We had driven to Portomarín by car. After the Camino, we took the bus back from Santiago, picked up the car and drove home to the north of Germany, where I lived at that time.

We passed the mountain village of O Cebreiro.

O Cebreiro was the place where I had started one year earlier with my younger son. He was 13 then.

That place is really dear to me, so we stopped there.

It was very busy. We wanted to have lunch, but there were no free places.

We were walking around and said to each other in Dutch, “There are no places left.”

There was one table with one man, and he answered us in Dutch. “You can sit with me if you want.”

We sat with him and had some food.

Then he started telling me things about my life. He knew nothing about me. We had not talked about these things.

We had only told him that we were married and were going home.

He had walked all the way from Amsterdam to Santiago and was on his way back.

We sat there for about an hour, and he went on and on about all kinds of things in my life where I needed to make decisions.

Carola and I looked at each other while he was talking, wondering, “What is going on here?”

At the end, we said goodbye. We went back to the car and started driving home.

We were totally silent.

After a while, I asked, “Did you notice what happened there?”

She said, “Yes.”

We had no words.

To this day, I have no clue what happened. I don't know.

It was just one of those moments when you receive exactly what you need.

That also happens beyond the Camino. It does not only happen on the Camino Francés.

The difference is that on the Camino, we start to recognize it because we are more open.

When I tell pilgrims the story of how we ended up here in the Inner Camino House, their eyes almost pop out.

To be honest, the story is really insane. It started in 2013.

All through those years, I received what I needed. Many times, it was really not what I wanted.

Now we have so much trust in whatever it is.

People from a church may call it God. Spiritual or New Age people may call it the universe. Quantum people may call it the quantum field.

I call it, “I don't know what it is, but I know it is there.”

I don't believe. I know that it is there.

In the meantime, there is so much trust in it that I can really rest. I can be in not knowing.

It is still challenging because you don't know what is coming with the next step.

Sometimes I am afraid because I don't know what is coming, but I have such a deep trust in it.

People may think I am totally spiritual and no longer living in this world, but that is not the case at all.

It is so much part of this world. You cannot deny it. It is right in your face.

When you walk the Camino, you are more out of the way, so you can see more of these things.

That is what is so beautiful about this podcast.

You share your story. I also share some things. We have this conversation, and people listening may start to recognize similar things in their daily lives outside the Camino.

That can change their lives.

Like the man you mentioned from Australia. He said, “I walked the Camino, and it changed my life.”

But I also want to know something else.

You are still on your Camino because you are not back in Australia.

Marisa

No.

I was thinking about that when you talked about trust and surrender.

This has been my journey since I left Australia.

The Camino was the first step, and since then, I have continued traveling.

I went to Egypt, Vietnam and Nepal. I was guided to all these places by intuition.

I just listened to myself and went.

When we talk about trust, surrender and not controlling things, I think what happens on the Camino is that you become more present.

When you become more present, you go within. You go inside yourself.

That is when intuition comes, when you are more connected with everything and everybody.

I think the Camino is a meditation. A walking meditation.

If you bring this into your normal, busy life, you can take a moment to sit quietly, in stillness, in the same kind of meditation.

You have the answers you need.

I am not religious. I am spiritual.

I talk about God, but I believe that this God is inside me, the divine inside me.

I think everybody has this voice, the inner voice, the Inner Camino.

Trust it, and act more from the heart than from the mind.

Danny

And not from the emotional heart, but from a deeper level. The bigger space.

When we talk about acting from the heart, it is often connected with elevated and intense loving emotions.

For me, it is more like how you love a child, a dog or a cat.

It is caring for and acknowledging another person for who they are, and nothing more.

That is a different kind of living from the heart.

Marisa

Yes. A kind of unconditional love. No judgment.

We need more of this these days.

Danny

I have the feeling that we have talked about the things we needed to talk about today.

But before we close, is there something you really wanted to say that you haven't said yet?

Is there something you want to tell future Camino pilgrims, or the people who have already walked, that you feel is really important?

Marisa

I think it is more about being present.

Lots of people ask me about going by yourself or going in pairs or groups. It depends on each person.

I really enjoyed walking the Camino by myself because you are never alone.

If you want to be with people, there are people around who are ready to talk and enjoy the walk with you.

When you need silence and need to be in your own space, you also have opportunities for that.

Don't let excuses stop your desire or your dream to walk the Camino.

It is a beautiful place, and you may find not what you want, but what you need in life.

Danny

Okay, Marisa.

I was looking forward to meeting each other again, and I really enjoyed it.

You also gave me a big insight into something I have been thinking about during the last few weeks.

Thank you for that.

You left me silent a couple of times, and I have been told it is not so easy to silence me.

Marisa

Did I say something wrong?

Danny

No, no, no.

I was so touched and deeply emotional that I needed to stay silent. Otherwise, I could not speak anymore.

So, really, thank you a lot.

Marisa

Thank you, Danny.

I appreciate so much what you are doing on the Camino.

We talked before, and you said there is no ego involved in it.

What you are doing is beautiful. You are touching hearts, and people touch your heart as well. It is a true interaction.

I really want the chance to visit you in your place and experience all this.

I don't know if you know, but I volunteered for three days while I was walking the Camino.

I didn't have enough time to finish the Camino. I had some bad moments that I don't want to share now, and I had to make a decision.

I stopped at a place that sounds very similar to what you are doing.

It was a private house where they served breakfast by donation, as a donativo.

When I arrived at that place, I felt that I should stay.

I asked the owner if I could stay and help them.

For three days, I served the pilgrims.

I understand what you are saying.

When you walk, you may talk with one, two or three people. But when you stay in one place, people come to you.

There were days when I talked to perhaps 100 pilgrims.

There were different stories and different emotions. It was so intense for me.

I learned so much, and it taught me so much.

I really appreciate what you are doing because it is beautiful, and the Camino is beautiful.

Danny

Like I mentioned before we started recording, when you walk the Camino, you may have ten or twenty very deep and impactful encounters.

But now I am here. We estimate that around 2,500 pilgrims have already visited our place, perhaps 3,000, and we only started on May 9.

Now I have these encounters every day, multiple times a day, with groups and with individual people.

It is so overwhelming.

There is so much nonjudgment available in the world. It feels like unconditional love and creates a deep connection.

I encounter that here every day.

Yesterday, there was a man here. He told me that we needed to make it clearer on the sign that this place is donativo.

He was really concerned about it, and at first, I didn't understand.

There is a drawer where people can leave money. They can also take their own change.

I never look at it. I don't want to look at it because then my brain starts working.

I never look at the whole thing. As long as it covers the costs, everything is okay.

He said, “People can steal the money there.”

I said, “But they don't.”

He was totally caught off guard.

I said, “They don't. Perhaps they do, but I don't know.”

I trust that the people who are here will not do any harm.

He was totally confused because he was most likely living in a different world, where you need to guard your money and where people may steal.

When you are in a space of nonjudgment, the other person experiences it as unconditional love.

They do not want to harm the person who does not judge them.

Marisa

The Camino feels to me like a bubble inside the world, where everybody is the same.

There is no nationality. There is no young or old, woman or man.

Everybody wakes up, puts on their shoes, walks, eats, talks and sleeps.

Everybody is the same.

Danny

You say the Camino is a bubble, and I agree 100 percent.

For the last four years, we lived in the south of Sweden. We lived in the Sweden bubble.

Before that, I lived in the Netherlands, near the German border. I lived in that bubble.

Wherever you live, that becomes the reality you experience.

Two years ago, when I retired, I said to Carola, “In America, they say that if you want to open a shop to sell shoes, three things are important: location, location and location. Otherwise, your shop will die.”

I said to Carola, “That is also true for where you live, because the location determines more than 90 percent of the quality of your life.”

I needed to choose my bubble.

Calling it a bubble does not mean that it is not real. What is happening here is real.

But when you return to the bubble where you live and go back to daily life, you may think the Camino was not real.

I disagree with that.

I say, “This is normal life. What you experience at home is daily life, which has nothing to do with normal life.”

Be very careful which bubble you choose to live in. It is so important.

If it doesn't support you anymore, just go.

Marisa

That is what I did. Just go.

Danny

Of course, there are consequences.

Marisa

Yes, it has consequences.

Danny

Thank you very much. You gave me a deep insight today.

Okay, Marisa. Thank you.

Marisa

Thank you, Danny. Thank you so much.

Danny

Bye bye. Talk to you soon.

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Every person who learns the skill of Self-Reflection begins to see people differently.

You may still question WHAT someone DOES.

But the judgment about their INTENTION starts to disappear. And you enter the realm of non-judgement.

And non-judgment is experienced as unconditional love.

That is how REAL change begins.

With you.
Then the people around you.
Your city.
Your province.
Your country.
Your continent.
And eventually,
the world.

That is why ACTIVELY spreading the skill of Self-Reflection, like an unstoppable virus, is SO important.

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